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Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
visited the Second Life library lately?
1:54 PM EDT 8/18/06
I'm curious to know what you all have experienced with the [url http://secondlife.com/whatis/ ]Second Life[/url] virtual environment.

There is an avid group of library staff who have been creating a library (now multiple libraries) for Second Life "residents." I'm pretty new to this kind of world myself and I'm having all sorts of technical problems trying to get started in it --firewall blocking, out of date graphics cards --that kind of thing.

I know that the SL library has a version of QuestionPoint for their use, making reference as virtual as it gets. Who all has been there? What do you think?
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
1:12 PM EDT 9/1/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
If you're wondering what all the fuss is about Second Life, this month's [url /do/Navigation?category=445 ]I'm curious, George[/url] column will flesh out the picture for you.

Read it and come back and tell us what you think. Is your library eager to join the metaverse?
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
7:31 AM EDT 9/3/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Were you ever able to get in? If so, let me know and I will be glad to give you a tour. You can also read this article on the Web in Serious Games Source which will tell you more. Our blog is at http://www.secondlifelibrary.blogspot.com

Serious Games Source article:
http://seriousgamessource.com/features/feature_063006_second_life_library.php

I think this is where libraries and other education institutions are going. Lori
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
2:26 PM EDT 9/5/06 as a reply to Lori Bell.
Wow, this is a great article for those who want to know what the Second Life library is doing. I also found an article on the [url http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid20561.aspx ]educational potential[/url] of SL. Imagine the "Multi-User Virtual Environment" classroom as a new direction for online learning.

Yes, I've been to Second Life. I just went through the orientation process and then headed directly to InfoIsland. I haven't had the "nerve" to go out into the wilds of the rest of the metaverse.

Can you tell us more about the grand opening of the library, which is coming soon?
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
5:24 PM EDT 10/10/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
I just wanted to share this [url http://youtube.com/watch?v=jTQkzfz5osQ ]cool video[/url] filmed in Second Life. It's a tour of InfoIsland from the vantage point of a roller-blading avatar. I don't know how he manages to do a 360 air move --did he buy that at the gesture store? In SL, you can cruise right into the library with your skates on! No shushing here.

I still feel like a lurker in Second Life, except that it's a lot harder (not possible) to stay invisible in that environment.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
4:25 PM EDT 10/16/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
I stumbled on Second Life while looking for something else (actually, I find a lot of good stuff that way). So I signed up for it but I don't really know what to do with it. I'd like to use it in my job as a state library consultant but how? Anyone have experience with this?
Linda Gens
Oklahoma
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
4:34 PM EDT 10/16/06 as a reply to Linda Gens.
Hi there. Do you have an avatar? We have a couple state library employees participating in different projects and we recently had a large state library group join to create a presence and eventually to offer training. Come in and I can put you in touch with them or email me at lbell927@yahoo.com and I will put you in touch with them. Lori
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
4:56 PM EDT 10/16/06 as a reply to Lori Bell.
Hi, Lori
Thanks for the info. I do have an avatar, Okie Wind (which I personally thought was brilliant emoticon ), but that's about as far as I got. I got frustrated with it because I could see the label for my avatar but couldn't see it and I felt that I was going around in circles, literally. I haven't given up though.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
7:06 PM EDT 10/16/06 as a reply to Linda Gens.
My experience so far is that you should try it on the fastest computer with the best video card and internet connection you have access to.

I've figured out that Second Life is basically unusable from my work laptop, but works fine on my home computer. On my laptop the graphics don't fill in, and I get stuck easily. When I walk, I eventually just start sinking into the ground until I can't move any more.

If you are having these kind of issues on a desktop pc, you might be able to upgrade the video card for not too much money.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
10:41 AM EDT 10/20/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Here's a link to a blog entry written by a friend of mine. She writes librarystories.blogspot.com, a blog about OK libraries and I asked her about Second Life.

http://librarystories.blogspot.com/2006/10/who-needs-second-life.html

Linda
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:14 PM EDT 10/20/06 as a reply to Linda Gens.
Linda, this is a great post from your SL-savvy friend. Her intro tour is nicely stated, but what I really like is that she takes on the "big question" --"Is Second Life for your library?"

"Second Life touts on their webpage that they have 963,206 total residents -- and the past two days I've been on in the evenings I've seen a max of approximately 13,000 of these residents actually logged in. So -- if you are hoping to tap into some of your real life patron base that doesn't visit the traditional library via Second Life think again -- the numbers just don't support it -- in fact you would probably be better off going and creating a library in The Sims or WoW (more people play those games)."

"But if you are hoping to advance information literacy beyond your traditional patron base and want to take advantage of and experiment with a program that could potentially influence future trends in online social networking then give SL a try."

Anyone have a rebuttal to that line of reasoning?
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
10:52 PM EST 11/30/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
I just happened to stumble upon Linda's link to my SL post. I'm glad you thought it was interesting emoticon

And I would be curious to know what others think.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:58 PM EST 12/1/06 as a reply to Adri Edwards-Johnson.
Hi and welcome to our discussions! I love the name of your blog --library stories. emoticon

I read in the SL list emails that more and more library workers are showing up at InfoIsland to check it out and get involved. That's so cool, but I still think there are many for whom it's not even on the radar. It is a time suck and time is the commodity in short supply for all of us. There are also the technology hurdles. All that said, this kind of environment (whether its Linden Labs or some successor) just may be THE FUTURE, the next evolution of the whole Internet experience. As a profession, we wouldn't want to miss out.

I would love to hear what others think as well.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
2:26 PM EST 12/4/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Hi, Betha
I agree with you on both points: learning new technology does suck up your time and that as a profession, we don't want to miss out on new technologies. As a consultant, I see a big part of my job is to learn about new technologies to pass on to the libraries in my region. I know they are overworked and underpaid. What I do is to learn about new things and then inform them about the new stuff so that they can utilize (or not) the technology. I think we all do this to some extent--and WebJunction helps immensely with this. Just in this discussion alone, we are slowly figuring out what works and what doesn't about Second Life.

Linda Gens
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
6:01 PM EST 12/6/06 as a reply to Linda Gens.
Linda (or should I say Okie Wind?), have you made any more progress in SL? I wonder if you're having graphic card incompatability issues like I did. What was strange about my experience was that I could take limited actions in the SL environment, but then would get stuck. I kept thinking I was not understanding the controls correctly. Finally out of frustration from being unable to emerge from a watery trench where I got stuck, I emailed SL support. They responded that my laptop did not have a suitable graphics card.

Which is the rub for many libraries right now --the technical hurdles. If you and I (WebJunction) are acting as filters/translators for new technology adoption, I think we're in the "let's wait and see" phase now for Second Life. It's such a cool sensation to move around in the virtual world, I can easily foresee widespread adoption in the next few years.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
9:22 AM EST 12/7/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Hi, Betha
I thought Okie Wind was a great name for me, being from Oklahoma (where the wind comes whistling down the plain)! emoticon

I am having the same problems you are. I thought my work computer was pretty fast but Second Life hangs it up all the time. This eats up the time I have to play around with it. And my computer is pretty fast but if I were to suggest to some of my libraries that they check out SL, they'd laugh at me because of the speed of their computers. Now the PACHUG has helped many of them with replacing their PACs but some of the staff computers are ancient. I think I'd also have to deal with the age of the librarians because they would not even understand the need for new technology like SL. However, I'll keep plugging away at this because younger librarians will be moving into those positions in a few years.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
10:54 AM EST 12/13/06 as a reply to Linda Gens.
This Clay Shirky piece on Second Life seems apropos: http://www.valleywag.com/tech/second-life/a-story-too-good-to-check-221252.php

(I confess to trying an avatar-based community in the latter '90s ... I wasn't much moved by it at the time.)
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:38 PM EST 12/13/06 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Clay Shirky's evaluation of SL certainly is worth reading --thanks for the link, LB!

"If most of the people who try Second Life bail (and they do), we should adopt a considerably more skeptical attitude about proclamations that the oft-delayed Virtual Worlds revolution has now arrived."

I made such an "it's the future!" proclamation a few posts back. I agree that the numbers of SL members are probably hyped. I'm one of those statistics and my use of SL has been minimal; I've only dipped my toe in the ocean so far. But I still think the experience is one not to be ignored. It opens up the 3d virtual world experience to non-gamers. I see a lot of potential for SL as an online learning environment. There is something so much more engaging about congregating a group in SL than getting together via a Web conferencing program. It just feels more real.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:51 PM EST 12/13/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
I'm trying to remember the name of the avatar-community I found circa '96. The Palace?

maddog will probably remember.

Even then you needed more computer than most people had.
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:19 PM EST 11/1/06 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
I attended Internet Librarian and was blogging the Second Life session. (You can find the post here: http://impromptu.wordpress.com/2006/10/24/second-life/ )

It was an interesting discussion. I must admit, I have yet to venture into Second Life, but it's good to know at least a little bit about it!

Mary Beth
Re: visited the Second Life library lately?
12:28 PM EST 11/1/06 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Hi and thanks for commenting on this topic! I was at that session as well --I wish I had a way of connecting f2f with WJ members, some kind of radar signal to let me know when I''m in the same room with them. ;-)

There were a couple of things that struck me about the presentation.
--One was Lori's comment about the surprising number of SL avatars who are showing up at the SL Library for orientation to library services. I'm guessing that these are folks who don't use the library in real life and are just now discovering it in their second life. That's cool! As Lori said, avatars get tired of all the sex and gambling in SL and come looking for a refreshing change of focus. There's definitely an opportunity there!!

--I also appreciated that Michael Sauers (yes, nice laugh!) gave the reality check. My entry into SL was hardly seamless and it was nice to hear someone identify some of the technical hurdles instead of making it sound completey fluid and easy. The burnout factor is also very real.

Still, it's an amazing experience to move around in SL --and I'm not a "gamer"!