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Moderators, Welcome!
6:25 PM EDT 8/4/08
Hello all current and future WJ Topic Moderators! With all the hubbub of launching this new site, we decided it would be best to wait to see how the first few weeks unroll with the new tools and the way they impact the shift in contributions and moderation.
We'll be looking for your input and will on-board interested and existing moderators with permissions in the weeks to come.
In the meantime, introduce yourself and share a bit about the topic you're interested in moderating.
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
8:54 AM EDT 8/5/08
as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
So, if I read you correctly, you are shifting the focus of moderators from a forum-wide to a per topic basis?
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Moderators, Welcome!
10:24 AM EDT 8/5/08
as a reply to < maddog >.
I haven't been a moderator here, but I'll be happy to help out where most needed. Since I'm a gray-beard administrative type, I suggest administration/board/governance would be the best fit (as I suspect you'd have few moderator volunteers with that particular experience). On the other hand ... if it's about the future of libraries, I'm there!
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
10:38 AM EDT 8/5/08
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob, I have always considered you to be the de facto moderator of St Jerry's, Shameless and a few other Getting Started topics, despite any official titles or lack thereof...
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
11:04 AM EDT 8/5/08
as a reply to < maddog >.
Yes, me too. I actually had to ask someone on staff about that...I've always assumed Bob was a moderator! Bob, Shameless and St Jerry's were two of the threads that lead us to be sure to migrate Getting Started...way too much history of some outstanding community building in there. Please know that your de facto moderation in those areas are always welcome and we'll talk more about other topic areas on the site that you might moderate.
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
11:53 AM EDT 8/5/08
as a reply to < maddog >.
maddog, I replied to your question in a new thread of the topic moderator discussions. Take a look and let me know if that answers your question. Thanks! < maddog >: So, if I read you correctly, you are shifting the focus of moderators from a forum-wide to a per topic basis?
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
2:50 PM EDT 9/12/08
as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
At first I thought site traffic seemed to be picking up on launch week. Then I realized that most of the posting was being done by OCLC people. I have a couple of concerns about the new place. The first is that the forums seem a bit harder to locate than they used to be and the second is the fact that there seems to be no way to load only new posts when you click on any given topic. That's the equivalent of thumbing through an entire book each time you pick it up to find the place you left off rather than simply using a bookmark. As topics grow, that becomes very off-putting...
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
6:20 PM EDT 9/16/08
as a reply to < maddog >.
Hi maddog,
We were a little worried about our traffic as well, since the performance problems we experienced at the launch time seemed to result in our users giving us a "time-out" till we got on firmer footing. But starting at the beginning of this month, our visit rate has been steadily and quickly upticking, and we are already experiencing more people on the site now than we typically did with the old site. That's definitely good news. However, I agree with you that, so far, posting to discussions has not been a top priority for members--other than those participating in the ExpWJ project and those who were already active in the forums. We have always faced the challenge of the huge ratio between lurkers and posters (usually is no more than 100:1, and WJ was more like 500:1). That is why we are hoping that by expanding the ways for people to engage with one another and with the content will give people more choices and incentive to actively participate. This is part of the grand experiment of the social web. And, indeed, many members are currently busy "friending" each other and exploring the other new features of the site.
But, certainly, having less-than-satisfactory user interface sure won't help. We've got adding pagination to the discussion threads on the short list for development. Aggregating new posts site-wide will have to go into the future planning bucket, because we decided to go full tilt with our change from separating content by content type (discussions/articles/courses), to a topic-based decision. I know that there are cons along with those pros.
Have you tried clicking the view-change icons at the top of each discussion board? You might be able to discover a view that is more user-friendly than what we have by default. We are also exploring how quickly/easily we can change the default view and the sort order (so that most recent posts float to the top).
As a long-time Super-User of the forums, we know you have the most and best advice for making the discussions workable. Keep 'em coming.
Meanwhile, with the UI currently as it is, can you think of ways we can better attract our community to the discussion areas of a given topic (either hosted or not)?
-Sharon & the Community Team
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RE: Moderators, Welcome!
11:37 AM EDT 9/17/08
as a reply to Sharon Streams.
I am a Flat (linear) View guy all the way. I really do not enjoy the subway map style navigation of threaded discussions. I don't think my view is the problem, I think the problem is that my profile does not store my read/unread post information. A user should not have to reload a bunch of posts they have already read every time they click on a discussion. In fact, I have never seen a conferencing system that does not support this very basic feature. I hate to sound like a broken record but it seems like like this could really stifle participation, particularly in larger threads.
I also fully understand what you are trying to do in melding discussions with content but it still seems a little difficult to find the discussions from the new WJ home page compared to the old system...
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10 months later
5:04 PM EDT 7/20/09
as a reply to < maddog >.
So, ummm are all of the forums dormant or just Getting Started?
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RE: 10 months later
1:04 PM EDT 7/21/09
as a reply to < maddog >.
hey maddog, thanks for the hello on my profile. nice to see you around.
honestly, it's hard to tell. the fact that the boards are not aggregated, along with the difficulty tracking/watching discussions makes it tough to tell where activity is taking place, even from behind the scenes. we're still working to improve the situation but we struggle with a limited capacity to tackle all the things we know we need to do. i know how lame this sounds as i write it and it bums me out a bit to admit it, but i think it will be difficult to facilitate / nurture the community discussions to the place they once were without some of those improvements in place. one thing that tim might be able to update on is some research he's doing on running a pilot that will pull multiple boards together so that we get back to that central place / location again (which I think will help a bunch).
overall the new design does allow for different types of interaction that are easier than before: uploading new documents, starting groups, commenting on articles, etc. and i'm pleased with the fact that capabilities improved on all those points. the trouble remains that even though those things are there, it's hard to surface them. jennifer does a great job with this page http://www.webjunction.org/hot (fresh activity to keep people up to date on the latest).
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RE: 10 months later
4:09 PM EDT 7/21/09
as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Yes, I really miss the old site. Half the time I cannot even find my way to the forums and when I do they seem pretty ghost-town-ish. I'm glad it's working for you guys on other levels. I was always pretty ashamed at the lack of participation from NH libraries, even on their own WJ... I couldn't even get the staff at my own library to show much interest. It seems like such a great resource, especially for small libraries with limited budgets. I never understood why it wasn't embraced. Oh well, - You can lead a horse to water, etc.
So happy to hear of your recent wedding - congratulations!
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RE: 10 months later
1:09 PM EDT 7/22/09
as a reply to < maddog >.
All I can say is that I am very aware of the pain and I hope we're able to re-engage people once we can fix some of these issues. I heard from Tim yesterday that next month we will be able to watch / subscribe to discussions once again (finally, thank goodness, it's a huge barrier if you don't have reminder links or can't use RSS). Secondly, we're consolidating some of the boards so that there aren't as many to hunt through. Third, we are researching (and this is what I referenced Tim was working on earlier) the possibility of re-aggregating the message boards so that there is a single spot. I am also disappointed that it has taken us a very long time to even get to the point where were starting to see some of these things on the site (especially since we have known the entire while that they were issues). Our challenges (as with many sites) is that we are trying to do a lot with a few. Please let your NH library staff know that those courses are there for them (for free!). So many library staff that we work with have to pay individually for courses (usually for continuing education credits) and it's such a blessing that these are available to you guys through the state library...even if you stayed on the main WJ site most of the time, your courses are there for you. Keep in touch Harry! So good to hear from you...
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RE: 10 months later
7:56 PM EDT 7/22/09
as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Chrystie Hill: I heard from Tim yesterday that next month we will be able to watch / subscribe to discussions once again (finally, thank goodness, it's a huge barrier if you don't have reminder links or can't use RSS). Secondly, we're consolidating some of the boards so that there aren't as many to hunt through. Third, we are researching (and this is what I referenced Tim was working on earlier) the possibility of re-aggregating the message boards so that there is a single spot. You beat me to it. Indeed, we're testing watching/subscribing right now. So far it's all working correctly in our tests. If things continue in this direction, well roll this out with our next install. And yes, we are indeed looking at re-aggregation for discussions. I'm of the mind that having these in one place will make participation in such a large site a bit more approachable. Consolidated message boards may not be new and sexy, but it's a format that has worked well for years. We have some development trickery necessary to get these to work w/ the architecture and the rest of the site components, so right now this is just at the "investigation" stage.
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RE: 10 months later
7:59 PM EDT 7/22/09
as a reply to Tim King.
Well, I'm looking forward to it.
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