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RE: Too shameless?
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
I'm afraid I'm posting here too often, but here's a link to an article published in Mindjack:
[url http://www.mindjack.com/feature/12ocvar.html ]http://www.mindjack.com/feature/12ocvar.html[/url]
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RE: RE: RE: RE: no VPN
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob, loved reading your article. I've shared it with a few of my colleagues. Thanks for sharing!
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RE: no worries
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
If I wasn't interested I would not have asked. There are prolly others just as CURious who may come along later so please do not feel you are over posting when you share your experiences.
In our town we are in the middle of setting up a VPN between the library, town hall and the schools. I have my fears that once we have the technology in place the users may not embrace it.
Do you have any sort of VPN associated with your library?
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RE: RE: no VPN
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Not now, probably not likely given our governance structures, leastways for the high schools.
We're a township-sized district library serving a township where high school districts overlap. There are four, maybe five, high school districts serving various parts of the township. Serving the schools means also serving non-residents -- which is where it gets dicey. We'd likely have to get some type of agreement with the other libraries and some type of pro rata funding mechanism.
Also, these school districts are not poor (a new high school opens next fall about a mile north of the library) and *can* reach us via the web -- students with library cards can access our various online resources, as well as our catalog.
The two villages that are almost entirely within our district are another story -- it would be good to have a kiosk in each village hall. Right now, though, we're fighting one of them in order to proceed with a new parking lot. There are three other villages that are at least partway within our district -- but I don't think they're a critical part of the problem.
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RE: RE: RE: no VPN
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Harry,
I fear that your question may not be found by the networking folks in this thread, but it's a good one.
Maybe post something about libraries & VPN in "connecting" to see if you get a few more responses??
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RE: VPN
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
I'll do that Chrystie. I don't think it really warrants a new topic but none of the existing ones seem to be a very good fit. Do you have any suggestion as to which topic there would be most appropriate?
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RE: RE: More horn tooting
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
library bob, we want to write a "library of the month" feature about your program. when do you think it will be far enough along to write up a feature about it?? congrats! sounds wonderful. writing in an online classroom environment (conferencing, asynchronous) was my very first online community experience. boy, was i converted quick!!
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RE: More horn tooting
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
This past Tuesday, I met with one of the local grade school district superintendents. He greenlighted my proposal that the public library offer online book discussions for 7th and 8th grade students.
We're working out the details now, hoping to be up and running within a few weeks. This will be "conferencing" rather than "chat" so as to allow participation whenever a student has 'net access (from home or school) and also so as to make sure that our actual staff-time investment is reasonable.
We view this as a way to bring programming to YAs and as a way to keep them involved in the library when, so often, it looks to them as though everything's "on the web." The selling point to the school was that this was also "enrichment" that stressed reading *and writing* skills.
We hope to be expanding this to other schools and other grades, plus eventually giving home schoolers a place to interact with the public school kids. I, ah, didn't tell the public schools about this last bit. ;-)
We also hope to be able to offer other types of programming through this medium -- a writing program would be a natural.
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RE: ach out and IM someone
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Will there be any sort of chat element tied to the conferences? Scheduled live chats with an engaging moderator might be a good way to lure the kids to participate in the actual conference discussions. Most of the YA I know do not tend to think conferencing is that cool. They seem to prefer the immediacy of the chat room environment...
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RE: RE: RE: More horn tooting
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Well, thanks, Chrystie ... I really don't expect us to be up and running for at least a month or two. Right now, we're identifying the software we want to use -- I'm hoping to get some type of "educational discount" from WebCrossing since I know someone on the inside there. But, if I can't, there are a couple of servicable cheap options that may lead the way to something better.
One requirement, I think, is that we can archive to CD. That way, 1) the school (and maybe also each kid) gets a record of what was done and 2) we don't have to keep old conversations on our server for very long.
Maddog asked about chat. It's a good point -- and it may be that we'll have a chat session or two, but I think asynchronous will work better in the existing school situation (little Jack or Jill can go online whenever classroom scheduling allows).
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RE: garding conferencing platforms
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Have you checked out Venice yet Bob? It's the new open source platform that Eric Bowersox developed for [url http://www.electricminds.org ]Electric Minds[/url]. It is free to download and not too hard to set up. Documentation is a bit lacking but I am sure Eric would be more than willing to answer any questions you may have. The source code is located at [url http://sourceforge.net/projects/venice/ ]http://sourceforge.net/projects/venice/[/url]
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RE: RE: garding conferencing platforms
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thanks, 'dog. I'll point our IT guy at it.
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RE: ally stable
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
It has been running flawlessly for us for nearly two years now. It has a cool paperclip function which enables file attachments on posts, it's linear and it's FREE...
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RE: RE: ally stable
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
The downside seems to be that we'd need a Linux box in an MS shop. Which, I think, means "not now" but maybe in the future ('cause if we're ever going to maintain local community web pages it would most likely be via Apache -- let the local script kiddies bounce off that for a while). :-)
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RE: RE: ally great news
6:22 PM EDT 10/12/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
We at our library feel this is old news by now, but I forget that not everyone knows about it! So here's a great piece about an award we have received, and a nice photo of the 3 people who got to see Laura yesterday: [url http://www.imls.gov/whatsnew/03archive/102103a.htm ]http://www.imls.gov/whatsnew/03archive/102103a.htm[/url]
We knew 3 people would be invited and couldn't decide who to include with our director and trustees chair, so held an essay contest about How the Bozeman Public Library Affected Your Life. Chuck's essay was so moving, he was the hands-down winner. You can read his essay: [url http://www.bozemanlibrary.org/esssaywinner.pdf ]http://www.bozemanlibrary.org/esssaywinner.pdf[/url] (with Acrobat Reader).
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RE: lationships
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
It is a small stumbling block but Linux and MS can live together happily if the tech people are willing to make it so...
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RE: RE: RE: ally great news
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Well, congratulations indeed!
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RE: RE: lationships
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Oh, very true. My issue, really, is that I have to consider what happens if the current -- competent -- fellow gets a better job offer.
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RE: cruiting new library patrons
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Congratulations to the library for the honors and to Chuck for his willingness to embrace change and reap the benefits!
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RE: RE: cruiting new library patrons
3:02 PM EDT 6/20/04
as a reply to Bob Watson.
Pam, this is great! Hey, do you have any pull with Alice? We are trying to get her on board for the "demonstrating impact" event at the end of the our focus (next week, actually!) which will take place in the "fundraising & development" forum. If you can persuade her to participate, we'd love to have her. I already know you'll be around, and it does help to have a friendly connection before hopping on board! Also, this is another excellent starter for our library of the month column. Having that essay contest is a fabulous idea! If you'd like to be our feature, send me an email at [url mailto:community@webjunction.org ]community@webjunction.org[/url] with "library of the month" in the subject line. I suppose it's safe to say that anyone wanting to nominate any library ... can do the same!
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