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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:47 PM EDT 6/18/09
For those of you who haven't read the back story, here it is:


St. Jerome is the patron saint of writers, journalists, and librarians. After a long career of
preaching under the protection of Pope Damasus (and after scandalous rumors involving St. Paula) he fled to the east, where he and St. Paula founded separate (but presumed equal) monasteries and he wrote the Vulgate (the official Catholic Bible until replaced by the New Vulgate in 1979). He's recorded as having died in 420 but this, he tells me, was strictly to throw people off to the fact that he and Paula had stumbled onto the benefits of good diet and regular exercise.

St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium and Coffee House sits on a side street in a nondescript part of town. I'm pledged not to say where, unfortunately, but – thanks to the wonders of Internet Technology – you can be there.

Nowadays, Jerry affects a B-movie British accent, a neatly clipped beard, and has a predilection for good scotch. I expect he may be by, now and then, but he and Paula were planning another vacation (Brazil this time, I think, but I'm not sure for how long) and he left me the keys.

The lighting's none too good, there are bookcases everywhere (like in a good, old fashioned, used bookstore) with books, and more books, old books and new books, stacked, scattered and strewn hither and yon. And there is a PC, or two, on a back table plus a Mac for the devotees of that particular religion.

The chairs are old, upholstered and overstuffed in oxblood leather with dull brass nail head trim. Most of the other furniture is even older, stuff Paula picked up in their travels, so please do be careful. The Scriptorium bar is an old oak library circulation desk. You'll usually find me behind it, fussing with the espresso machine or washing glassware.

The food's passably good, the coffee usually even better, and the bar well stocked. You need only ask. (The residuals on the Vulgate were, ah, considerable.)

The fireplace is always lit.

What's the deal you ask?

Oh, sorry, I hadn't mentioned that part yet. Jerry thinks good conversation's fun and asks that we bring up quotes, or ideas, and discuss them at our leisure. Quotes won't buy you a cup of coffee or a drink (just ask for that), but they're likely to start off an interesting conversation.

Welcome!



St. Jerry today:
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:47 PM EDT 8/7/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Let's see ... glassware washed, shelves dusted, bottles arranged, espresso machine polished, samovar cleaned ... it looks like we're ready to open again!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:23 PM EDT 8/7/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thank goodness the place hasn't lost its ambiance in the transition ---the fire, the bookcases, the aging finish on the old oak bar. Yup, it still feels like the same welcoming atmosphere, but without the long load time --yay!

How about a round of champaign to the new WJ? In the virtual world, we can afford the finest, n'est-ce pas?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:41 PM EDT 8/7/08 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
An excellent idea!

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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:31 PM EDT 8/7/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I can hear the "pop!"

And I see I spelled champagne with too much 'campaign' on my mind. emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:39 PM EDT 8/7/08 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Well, "Champaign" is a city in Illinois ... which makes it close enough.

I wonder what they drink there. Illinois State University is there, so I'm betting it's beere.

I'm working my usual late Thursday, but it's after 5 in Seattle so I imagine the WebJunction crew is a tad frazzled. So ... maybe a BIG champagne glass will do.

<pouring>

Here's to WebJunction!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:23 PM EDT 8/8/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Not to be confused with Champlain, Illinois.

Nearing the end of Post Launch Week One, the crew here may be very ready to join ISU in consuming some quantities of beer. Hopefully, it will be some nice Northwest micro-brews rather than Bud or Miller. (Yes, I'm a beer snob.)

So I say "Zivio Ziveli" to the new WebJunction! That's Serbian for "live long." Or take your pick of a host of toasts in other languages.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:57 PM EDT 8/11/08 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Well, "Zivio Zivell!" it is ... I should have remembered that from a Croat bar I used to frequent, but no. The memory is not what it used to be.

How about Prairie Path Pale Ale? That's very local to me, but I stumbled upon it at Costco:

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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:19 PM EDT 8/15/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<heavy sigh...settling into the overstuffed oxblood leather>

I need something a tad strong, maybe even medicinal after a week of neck pains. I'm going to try a chiropractor tomorrow, but there's still today...

what do you suggest?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:30 PM EDT 8/15/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Too much keyboarding?

Hmmm. Medicinal...

(turning to look at bottles behind bar)

How about three fingers worth of Drambuie? Scotch with honey, sort of.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:40 PM EDT 8/15/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
sounds right, especially if it gives me a little sanctuary on the Isle of Skye. hmmm, maybe you should make it flaming...what would the fire marshal say?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:13 PM EDT 8/15/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Well, it won't flame all that much ... it's only 80 proof.

Let's see ...

Tall glass, three fingers of Drambuie, swirl it around to coat the glass, and

IGNITE!


Don't stare too long or you won't have a drink! You're supposed to put your hand over it, but a coaster will do.

emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:17 PM EDT 8/20/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Even though I've been with WebJunction for more than a year, I had not taken advantage of St. Jerry's comfortable and engaging ambience. Re-reading the description of the Virtual Scriptorium now, I belive it is an amalgam of many of my favorite places, both real and imagined. So, I hope to spend lots of time here.

We had a little cross-cube chat this morning about the various odd "sports" that the Beijing Olympics are highlighting. We've seen team handball, trampoline, BMX biking, and sport taekwondo -- which looks more like two people bouncing up and down for several minutes while staring intently at each other. How do these formerly backyard activities turn into full-fledged competitions?

Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:38 PM EDT 8/20/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Welcome, Sharon! I was just now fiddling with the espresso machine ... perhaps a latte this morning?

Sports are an odd thing, to my way of thinking, often so tied to one place that "internationalizing" them makes little sense. BMX racing makes little sense to me, but I suppose my own local favorite -- 16" softball -- seems that way to most others.

Not that 16" softball would ever make it to the Olympics!

I know that some of these sports have international organizations and are popular outside the "American consciousness." It makes me miss the (very) old Wide World of Sports on ABC (Wide World of Sports). You'd frequently see sports that you'd never heard of before.

Are you enjoying the Olympics otherwise?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:58 PM EDT 8/20/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I am buzzing from that latte. It's a chilly rainy day outside, so perhaps I'll make the next one an Irish (decaf) coffee...

I remember Wide World of Sports very well--the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat--as emceed by Jim McKay. An integral part of my childhood.

I've not watched a lot of the Olympics since I'm not often around a tv, but I enjoyed watching He Chong dive, and Usain Bolt jog. We usually watch the Canadian coverage, to get a different perspective. They just won their first track and field medal since 1996. The Vancouver, B.C., newswomen, however, seemed more interested in pointing out the fact that the medal winner wore eye makeup during the race. A little catty for the kind Canadians!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:18 PM EDT 8/20/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
That's Seattle for you. My wife and I have got good friends in Lacey and relatives up and down the Sound.

Some of my online friends are Vancouverites, a bit nonplussed at how poorly Canada had fared up until now. Now they've something to celebrate.

I've been watching a bit, generally while trying to read a book at the same time.

<fiddling>

One decaf Irish coming up!

Remember the US track star from a few years ago who not only had eye makeup but absolutely stunning nails?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:13 PM EDT 8/25/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Did that old 'devil dog' find his way to the new establishment yet? He was last seen lurking in a dusty corner of the old haunt, panting with thirst. I hate to see such a fine quotation go to waste, so I'll repeat it here on his behalf:

Slow, slow!
For the grapes’ sake, if they were all,
Whose leaves already are burnt with frost,
Whose clustered fruit must else be lost
For the grapes’ sake along the wall.


Robert Frost (1874–1963)

maddog, the lights are all on here and the beverages are flowing.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
11:20 AM EDT 8/26/08 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
'dog should find his way here, sometime, Betha.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:55 PM EDT 8/27/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Oh, my.....why haven't I found my way here until now??? It's absolute heaven.

May I have a glass of well-deserved Cabernet Sauvignon, please?

Bless you!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:59 PM EDT 8/27/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
omg! I saw your post come through my email subscription, and without seeing who had posted it, I *knew* that was you, Mary Beth!

Bartender, I'll take what she's having!
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:30 PM EDT 8/28/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Hmm.

Nothing behind the bar ... give me a few minutes and I'll be back from the cellar.

- - - - - -

Here we are. Nothing fancy, the 2005 Ramspeck, but it'll have to do.

I'm glad you made it to St. Jerry's! emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:02 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Well, I will scrupulously avoid getting into a political discussion here, since those inevitably make for uninteresting online conversation. But I wanted to note how many references to librarians I have already heard in comments about the new vice presidential candidate (in regard to her looks, and a story from her tenure as mayor). I wonder if librarians around the country are just shaking their heads, saying, "Oh boy, here we go again."
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:21 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Librarian's simply cannot hide the fact that they are the universal benchmark for sex appeal...
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:29 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to < maddog >.
Ain't it the truth ... it explains why we have so many teenage boys hanging around...

Can I get you anything, 'dog? Sharon?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:36 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Over the weekend I was perusing my Tiki Bar drink book, I think in some futile attempt to hang onto to summer even though it is on its way out (and never really made it to Seattle anyway). With that--and a nod to Gustav--maybe mix up a batch of Hurricanes?
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:46 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Well, as long as you don't mind my using passion fruit syrup instead of the juice ... the juice just doesn't keep very well.

Let's see ... <rummaging>

Rum. Grenadine. Sugar. Lime juice.

Yep ... I've even got cherries for garnish.

<shaking, straining, pouring>

Here you go.

Regarding Palin, I'm most interested in the results of today's Christianity Today online poll. That's read by a lot of folks who tend to vote Republican. I guess I won't know until tomorrow.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:56 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
{Sipping my hurricane daintily}

Hmm, that poll seems rather skewed, with only one choice for a (very) positive answer and five negative.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:48 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Could you fire up the time machine and get me a mug of The Original Frostie Root Beer?

Here's my payment:

I write to discover what I think. After all, the bars aren’t open that early.

Daniel J Boorstin, Librarian of Congress

ATTRIBUTION: On why he writes at home from 6:30 to 8:30 AM, Wall Street Journal 31 Dec 85
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:58 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to < maddog >.
We had to take out the time machine when we moved over to the new digs, but I'll see what I can do.

I lost my own favorite root beer when the Oogies in Peru, Illinois, closed a couple years ago. Thick and creamy.

Got some Bulldog Root Beer, though.

<pouring>
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:03 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
That'll do in a pinch. According to Wikipedia a company in Texas is currently selling the Frostie brand, complete with the little elf logo but it's not the stuff from Maryland I had as a kid...
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:48 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to < maddog >.
I wouldn't say "negative," Sharon ... just degrees of "not the very best." It'll be interesting to see how that breaks out.

<topping off maddog's glass>

Root beer never seems to be as good as when I was a kid. I suppose it has to stand up to more trucking.

Maybe the current energy crisis has an upside ... local brands now able to compete with the giant bottlers. A dim hope, maybe, but who knows???

Another Hurricane, Sharon?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:56 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
The talk about root beer got me all nostalgic for the UCONN Dairy Bar in my hometown of Storrs, Connecticut. Ice cream is one of the four major food groups in CT (along with pizza, apple cider, and, hmm, maybe maple syrup), and really the only way I drank root beer was in the form of a float. The Dairy Bar is still in operation, so if you are ever in the area, stop in for a cone.

Will St. Jerry's ever turn into one of those gastropubs?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:06 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
That seems unlikely, Sharon, given that I'm the only person here and I'm busy tending the bar.

Of course, if you're volunteering to be the chef I imagine we can fit out a pretty nice kitchen .... :-)
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:23 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
As for local bottlers making it big, the Seahawks selected Jones Soda to be the soda sold at their games. My kids love the stuff...mmm, pure cane sugar.

And its so funny you mention a menu. I'm reading Ruth Reichl's Tender at the Bone and it actually crossed my mind that we should be discussing food as well. There are plenty of foodies around here...we have a lunch coop that surfaces some outstanding dishes and Zola and her husband even have a food blog, Food Chains.

If we're still drinking Hurricanes, how about a fried oyster po'boy?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:28 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Need a chef, though ... I'm lousy in a kitchen. But I'm for it if we get more people traipsing through.

Speaking of soda with real sugar (and Jones is super good), did you know that Coke makes a special Passover Coke that doesn't use corn syrup? St. Jerry's needs to get hold of some of that.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:45 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I know of at least one local instance of a chain grocery store that carries the Coke made with cane sugar rather than HFCS. I heard it is bottled in Mexico and imported here. A friend who cannot consume corn syrup even when it is not Passover was very excited to make that find.

I am sure we can find some guest chefs to help bring a nosh menu to St. Jerry's. Here are some coffee-marinated bison short ribs from The Copper Hog in Bellingham. I'm sure they won't mind if we use their recipe! I will pair that with a pint of hard cider.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:48 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I can help with that one, Bob. I'm too good a cook for my own good - as my hips will attest. I even have a posting of my own in Zola's blog!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:52 PM EDT 9/3/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
I'll take you up on that, Mary Beth!
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:45 PM EDT 9/4/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Meantime, I've got to get to work on that kitchen. Viking appliances OK, Mary Beth?

(Price is no object at St. Jerry's!)

Let's see, if I take out that wall to the left of the bar I can get to the back room and put in a service counter and a swinging door. That will make getting in and out to the bar pretty easy and make sure that whoever's in the kitchen is also in the conversation.

Pretty important in a Virtual Scriptorium!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:16 PM EDT 9/5/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Here's the result of that Christianity Today poll:

* * *

Was Palin a good choice for McCain's running mate?

Yes, very.
55%

Yes, but I'm not sold on her.
5%

I didn't think so at first, but I'm warming up to the idea.
6%

I thought so at first, but now I'm not so sure.
3%

I don't really think she was a good choice.
10%

No. What a disaster.
18%

Other
3%

Total Votes: 3488


* * *

I think folks will need a few weeks to figure Palin out. I view her as a populist since she opposed, and beat, the local Republican party structure ... so she owes no one. That could make her a very loose cannon from the POV of the Republican establishment.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:25 PM EDT 9/5/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Viking would be fabulous, thanks!

Let's see....how about a lovely chicken piccata served on risotto for dinner? I'll let you choose the appropriate wine.

Let me just retrieve my Le Creuset pans.....
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:11 PM EDT 9/5/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Very nice, Mary Beth! I love the new thread too: Dinner at St. Jerry's.

Can't wait to see what the sommelier picks!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:04 PM EDT 9/8/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Let's see ... have to counter the lemon's acidity, so a soft wine is out. Need something crisp.

So, honoring Washington State (and so many WebJunction folks), how about the 2006 Chateau St. Michelle Eroica Riesling?

(Sorry for the delay ... busy weekend at the cabin.)
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:18 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Hello, everyone! I'd like to stand everyone a round of drinks. Beer for those who can, but since I can't drink it, I'll take a Bloody Mary (still feels like morning here, even though it is noon).

I've been reading these two articles from the Chronicle of Higher Education that bluntly addresses the "stupidity" issue that many feel is plaguing our country. It captures how I am feeling right now (which is part of why I seem to want to hang out at a virtual pub--near intelligent folks and near the virtual booze!), but I wonder how it sits with my barmates? Again, I want to avoid political finger-pointing, but more delve into the question of is there really a problem and, if so, what do we do about it?

Here are the links:

Part 1: On Stupidity

Part 2
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:35 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Oh, dear.

I think there probably is a problem, but I'm not sure where to start. I can tell you that we're getting students in the colleges and universities that are barely able to write a coherent sentence or do basic math. Laying this at the feet of a web browser seems disingenuous, at best.

I will admit to being old school. And old. (Hitting 50 in a few weeks. The AARP card was in the mail yesterday.) I attended Catholic school for 12 years, and those nuns didn't brook any nonsense. The schools also didn't have the budgets to offer classes that we would have considered fun; we were stuck taking stuff like chemistry and physics and advanced biology and english literature.

The nuns in grade school would have us diagram sentences as busy work. The high school nuns had us write critical essays. By the time I entered college, I could write and cipher.

Unfortunately, I'm seeing a school system that has for too many years worried about junior's self esteem to the detriment of actual learning.

I'm assuming - hoping - that the pendulum will swing the other way and we'll get back to basics. But until then, it may be a bumpy ride.

And with that, bartender, a glass of cabernet please?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:12 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Cabernet for Mary Beth.

<pouring>

Mind the glass, though. 17th century Venetian.

<looking for the Worcestershire sauce ... mixing>

And a Bloody Mary for Sharon.

This is an issue we've been discussing on and off the last few years in another online community. There's a general consensus that something is *different,* concern that something may be *wrong,* and no idea as to what is the cause or what to do about it.

I'm not particularly "old school" despite being 57 ... the Latin I learned was in the public schools ... but I think the problem, such as it is, is far older and distinctly cultural. There's an important book, written in the late 50s, that addresses what can only be called willful ignorance. It's Anti-intellectualism in American Life, by Richard Hofstadter.

He showed that the longer an immigrant group stayed in the country, the lower the school test scores. Each generation "got dumber."

I think things have gotten worse as Americans as a whole have gotten wealthier. Gotten "fat and sassy" to use an old phrase.

I also think that our goals in education have contributed to a sort of secondary ignorance. We do not educate to instill curiosity; we educate so that a particular body of knowledge is "learned" (leastways until the final exam).

I tend to think that kids believe there are answers to all questions because they have been taught as though this is the case. The Internet, I'm afraid, panders to this attitude by providing answers so easily ... whether or not they are true and whether or not they are even understood.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:34 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Indeed, Benton cites the Hofstadter book at the outset of his article (he gives 1963 as the pub year). So that did get me thinking whether we have been declaring the decline of intellectualism for a long time or whether it truly has hit a new level...

I am an early Gen-X'er, and was in grade school in the 70s and 80s when all this new type of education was supposedly getting into full swing. However, my hometown is almost entirely comprised of (composed of? I always get those mixed up) academics, so my high school was rigorous rather than coddling. I wrote so many blue book essays that it'd make your head spin.

Oops, gotta leave St. Jerry's and head for a meeting!

<gulping down last of the Bloody Mary, smacking lips and dashing>
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:44 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
I think it's hard to say whether or not ignorance is increasing, but I'd guess that it's more obvious in an "information age."

It's my guess that our "base culture" comes from mostly ignorant English and Scots who "knew their place" at home, didn't like it, and headed over here only to perpetuate a cycle of know-nothing stasis on all the new comers. That's been seen as the Jacksonian west in opposition to the educated east.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:52 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Double Bloody Mary, coming up!

<mixing>

Must be one tough meeting ...

Here you are, Jen.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:07 PM EDT 9/18/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Hmmm.

No one's been by lately. So ...

Are there any library issues needing to be talked about? I'm guessing that Hurricane Ike points to the need to build fortresses if to build anything at all.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:23 AM EDT 9/19/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Well, these hurricanes also point to the option of not building stuff in the path of hurricanes, on coastal waters, barely above sea level.

I think if I had a library in those regions I'd be tempted to only put stuff on the second and third floors and leave the first floor for meeting rooms and such, so as to limit the damage. Luckily, I've only worked in libraries where this hasn't been an issue....so I could be completely off base.

It's a bit early for wine.....but how about a Mimosa?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
10:12 AM EDT 9/19/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
One mimosa, coming up!

That's a good idea ... no collections on the bottom floor. I expect hurricanes will be more common ... or at least more powerful ... due to global warming, not to forget rising sea levels.

Plays hob with long-range planning when your long-range plan includes moving inland, away from a service population that wants to stay put.
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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:57 PM EDT 9/19/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
All true.

And man, has it been a long day. Long week. Some good stuff, some delightful stuff, some vaguely icky stuff.

I would very much enjoy a glass of cabernet, if you would be so kind.

And many thanks for this wonderful respite!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:03 PM EDT 9/19/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Long week for me, too.

Let me get you a larger glass ... perhaps more cabernet would help. emoticon

I'm off to our cabin this weekend. There's painting to do, so I likely won't be back until Monday.

The Scriptorium remains open though!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:29 PM EDT 9/23/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Quiet here right now.

I'm likely to be sans computer for a few days ... see you on the 29th!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:24 PM EDT 9/29/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Back again, well rested and (with no TV) two books read. I also did a lot of painting.

Any library issues to discuss?

At work, I noted on our internal discussion board that there's a new music format debuting this fall ... a mini flash memory card (about half the size of what you probably put in your camera). The fascinating thing is that there's no DRM. Methinks sneakernet will be working overtime.
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2:35 PM EDT 10/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<brushing off the dust, since i've been underground>

Hello friends. I'm practically dying of thirst. Is there anyone around here who remembers my usual?

And as for library conversation. Are you kidding? Don't get me started! Besides, I need a drink first.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:50 PM EDT 10/3/08 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
I won't step on Bob's toes and do his bartender job but I have to post a quick wooHOO! It's good to read your words again!
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:14 PM EDT 10/3/08 as a reply to < maddog >.
One Grey Goose martini, coming up!!!!

It's good to see you both here. What's going on in your library world, Chrystie?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:18 PM EDT 10/3/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob Watson:
One Grey Goose martini, coming up!!!!

It's good to see you both here. What's going on in your library world, Chrystie?


Oh dear heavens! _Don't_ get her started until I've had my perfect Manhattan . I'm thirsty and don't want to wait for a drink until she's caught everyone up!

(Knob if you've got it, otherwise Maker's is fine)
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:23 PM EDT 10/3/08 as a reply to Tim King.
Let's see ...

Dry vermouth. Sweet vermouth.

Ahh ... the bitters. It was hiding in back.

One perfect Manny!

I should tell you about my ex's uncles ... we used to go "camping" a lot, but there's only so much you can do when they're making Manhattans by the pitcher.

What's up, Tim?
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2:46 PM EDT 10/5/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<gulp gulp>
Finally! How long has it been?

Let's see. My library world. Here's a start: Today I'm reviewing a book that I think I may have just finished about libraries and community building. It still needs a lot of revision, so I'm not quite done, but I do have a full draft. I will be very very happy when I send it to my editor, hopefully this week. WebJunction, meanwhile, has a new site that until this last week I had some personal permission issues that our developers had to work out. I am very very very excited about our new platform and am excited by the potential it has for more user-contribution and "blended" engagement (all kinds of formats & social activities). I'm also very happy to be back on the boards w/ old friends. Later this month I'll be at LITA Nat'l Forum (with Tim) and I hope then to settle down into a nice "regular" winter.

And outside of libraryland? Hey, guess what? I'm getting married!

I think I'll have another, thanks. emoticon
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11:07 AM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
It sounds like things are going great for you on every level. It's so great to have you back in the forums. I am already looking forward to reading your book!
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11:50 AM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
One more?

Well, if you're getting married you're going to need it... emoticon

Here's you are.

Sound's like your plate is full. Community building is an art form, to be sure, with some libraries making it their reason for existence.
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Tags: memories
12:47 PM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thanks Bob. I needed that. That's funny, I used to drink the Manhattans with my uncle, too (fishing and gardening of all things -- though not fishing and gardening at the same time). He recently passed away and I'm making the sacrifice of drinking extras in his memory. He'd be so proud!
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1:37 PM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Tim King.
It's an older thing. I never could figure out how either Karl or Werner could get anything done past, say, 8 p.m. or so but they did.

Livers of iron!
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1:52 PM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I'm beginning to think that the Manhattan is the seminal American drink of a generation. My parents ushered in most Friday evenings with a pre-prandial Manhattan. When I was very small, they would let me eat the marachino cherry from their drink at the end. I am quite sure that they were (as was I) completely innocent of the fact that most of the alcohol is absorbed by the fruit. But I never actually drank my own until just this summer, when I visited my dad on Cape Cod. All the "old folks" were pining for one, so Dad made up a batch. Wow, that little 3 oz cocktail really knocked us "young" folk on our butts.

Meanwhile, you may have noticed that we are featuring this discussion forum on the homepage this week. You might want to stock up the bar a bit--and Mary Beth might want to do some menu planning-- as we'll hopefully get some new (and thirsty) Libraryland citizens in here.

Sharon
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4:43 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<sips> Ah, lovely.

I tend to think that kids believe there are answers to all questions because they have been taught as though this is the case. The Internet, I'm afraid, panders to this attitude by providing answers so easily ... whether or not they are true and whether or not they are even understood.

Too true. it's interesting how things are coming full-circle in some respects. I remember my Grandmother insisting that if it was in print, it had to be true. I'm seeing some of the same naivete in students, who believe that if it's on the Internet...

There's a terrific website that works well to illustrate that all might not be as it seems online. It was created by a Mankato State University professor as an object lesson to his students. It's pretty amusing - until you learn that there have been a number of people who have taken the site's claims seriously and have traveled to Mankato to see the Great Mankato Pyramid, the Underwater City, and try their hand at Deep Sea Fishing on the Minnesota River.

I guess that's part of our new charge - to help people wade through all this and understand.
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4:42 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Nothing like an expose on stupidity to re-invigorate me! Thoughts tangentially related have surfaced for me recently in a couple of contexts.

My kids (especially the 4th grader) have had their earliest ever regrets about school starting up again. In the past, they've gotten such a kick out of recognizing the pattern of longing for summer>longing for school. Already they're moaning about homework and longing for no "responsibilities". As a parent, I appreciate Benton's reminder that learning needs to have multiple entry points and only wish we had been better about sustaining a summer-long integrative approach to learning.

I've also been struck but how many more people have stopped reading on the bus commute. Granted some of the head-phoned folks might be listening to audio books, but I remember just a few years back the elbow to elbow reading position as the standard with my busmates.

And this may be a horrid generalization, but I am saddened by the guffaws I get when I mention reading to the super-connected folks I know, as if having time to read is a luddite freak-flag. That said, I was grateful for the cross-cubical book discussion that happened today. That and Nancy Pearl friending me on fb.

And speaking of bloody mary's I had a superb "bloody mary-chan" at boom noodle this weekend: house mix of yuzu pepper, sancho pepper, tonkatsu sauce, and other spices. garnished with purple shiso, ume boshi, and pickled string beans.

But for now, I'll take the St. Jerry's version but make it a double.
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4:47 PM EDT 9/10/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Wow, I need to get out more. I didn't understand most of the ingredients in that drink of yours, Jen!
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11:37 PM EDT 10/6/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Hi Mary Beth!

And Bob, that was Flo-Jo right? Didn't she pass away a few years ago (I suppose I could look it up, but what's the fun in that?)...?emoticon

Nice round of drinks you've been serving up lately. Much appreciated. And I really like Jerry's new avatar!
St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
10:09 AM EDT 10/7/08 as a reply to Tim King.
I think you're right, Tim. Flo-Jo. I imagine she won more than one race "by a fingernail."

I suppose there are fashions in drinks ... will the Mojito be remembered 20 years from now? My own favorite is the Old Fashioned, but try ordering one.

Outside St. Jerry's that is.

A what???? they ask. I wind up just getting scotch.


Thanks on the avatar. Rachel Singer Gordon had a link on her website to an avatar building site ... so I might as well also plug her new book review blog, http://www.thetechstatic.com/. It's for technology related collection development.

That's something I think our profession really needs.
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12:34 PM EDT 10/12/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
WOW! You go on vacation for a week, and look what you miss!

Congrats, Christy!

Hi, Tim!

And an Old Fashioned....my all-time favorite. Brandy Old Fashioned Sweet, to be exact. Wisconsin folks are the largest consumptors of brandy, and the Old Fashioned is a very Wisconsin drink. I learned the hard way, too, that ordering an Old Fashioned outside Wisconsin can be a very chancy thing. <shudder> Good to know you can pour one for me!

Good to be back home.....
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2:28 PM EDT 10/13/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
One brandy Old Fashioned, coming up!

I prefer mine with rye whiskey, but I can see where a Wisconsin girl necessarily grows up with brandy.

Things are rather muddled where I work, just south of the Wisconsin border. You'll find brandy drinkers, for sure, plus a lot of Packer fans.

I figure it's an acquired taste. emoticon
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5:26 PM EDT 10/13/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
And one that's hard to shake, in both cases!

Go, Pack.....emoticon
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5:42 PM EDT 10/23/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Bears are off this week, so things are quiet at work, just south of the "Cheddar Curtain."

We just scored a "98" in the Hennen rankings ... not that such means a lot, really. Different libraries have different ambitions.

But it sure sounds good to board members! emoticon
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10:11 AM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Packers are off this weekend, too. Gives us Cheeseheads a chance to get something done on a Sunday afternoon!

Congrats on the ranking; impressing Board members is always a plus!
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3:06 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Always a plus, indeed!

<wiping counter>

Anyone wanting coffee? A drink perhaps?

I made sure to mention that score on the library's web page, but did explain that Hennen's weighting need not apply to all libraries.
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4:06 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Now that you mention it....

Coffee would be lovely. Perhaps laced with a bit of Bailey's Irish Cream?

Fabulous on a Friday afternoon.

So.....what's up for the weekend with everyone?
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4:24 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Blue Mountain dark roast? With a wee bit of Bailey's ... here you are.

<sliding cup over counter>

Busy weekend shaping up. Allergy testing Saturday morning (yuck!). Later, attending a St. Xavier University football game, as my older son is in the marching band and I haven't seen him in uniform yet ... red hightop sneakers are part of it. That evening, the two of us are off to FrightFest at Six Flags Great America, so it will be rollercoasters until 10 p.m. or so.

Sunday is a trip to our new lake house so my wife can show it off to her older sister.
If it's not too wet, I expect to be planting daffodils. Deer, it seems, do not eat daffodils.
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4:33 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
We've got a pumpkin here in the kitchen (I'm telecommuting today) that is asking to be carved, so that's on the to-do list for the weekend. Plus, we booked a trip to Munich for over New Year's, so I am going to plan that out some more now that we've got the plane ticket part taken care of. I am so glad to have a trip to look forward to!

I am a book-a-holic, but lately I have been thinking about whether my reading is giving me an excuse for not "doing." I will still continue to read, but I am trying to balance it out with different activities that take me out of the book cocoon. And, boy, am I having withdrawal symptoms! (I've already claimed that blogs and magazines don't count as reading!)

Sharon
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4:39 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
There are always ear buds and an audio book. emoticon

My reading problem is rather the opposite: too much reading on a screen most of the day. I'm sometimes "infoed out" by the time I get home.
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4:42 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
nice to see you all...MB, Bob and Sharon,
I'd love a mexican hot chocolate of some sort. Can't drink coffee past noon or it interferes with sacred sleep.

Your weekend is packed Bob! Wow! My kids want to go trick or treating in the Junction (the heart of West Seattle, my hood) but I'm looking forward to some time at home hopefully to get things done.

We went to a pumpkin carving event at school last night and I snagged enough pumpkin guts for a tasty batch of salted seeds...they're gone already!
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5:01 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Mexican chocolate? Let's see ...

<rummaging>

There we are ... the cinnamon. Can do!

My wife and younger son were up that way earlier in the week ... leastways I *think* Archie McPhee's is out that way (my internal Seattle map is more blank spots than it is streets and neighborhoods).

<looking for smallest whisk>

Have you checked out Yes We Carve? http://yeswecarve.com/

Here you are! Leastways, I hope it's close enough.
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5:03 PM EDT 10/24/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Wow - I'll need to come up with something to do this weekend, just so I don't look like such a slouch!

Actually, I do have a project in mind: I bought a pottery wheel for myself, which is still sitting in its box in the foyer. I need to clean out the room I'm planning to repurpose as my pottery room and figure out where to put all that stuff....

Last weekend was our bulb-planting fest, Bob. A dear friend gave me 500 (!) bulbs as a birthday gift, all deer-resistant. Daffodils were included!

We're not planning on carving pumpkins - too many have met their untimely "death" thanks to the kids in the neighborhood. emoticon

Hope everyone has fun!
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3:24 PM EDT 10/30/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
The weekend was not (quite) as busy as planned. Saturday's football game was at 6 rather than Noon, so there was no time afterwards to go to FrightFest.

Also, I froze my a** off at the game and left at halftime.

Your pottery wheel sounds intriguing, Mary Beth. Is this something you've wanted to do for a long time?

<making coffee>
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2:59 PM EDT 10/31/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thanks, Bob. <sips coffee>

I have dabbled with pottery for a while and really like it. I just decided I'd get my own wheel and play at home!

We're dressed up at work for Halloween, which is a blast.
I would, of course, be the nun. emoticon

But boy, am I tired. It's been a long week.

Maybe something warm and soothing? I know - a Cottontail! Warm brandy and peppermint schnapps. That should do the trick!
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3:21 PM EDT 10/31/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Dudette, I love the photo! I *have* to post this to BlogJunction!!
-Sharon
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3:41 PM EDT 10/31/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
A nicely worn ruler, I see.

Let's see ... where *is* the schnapps ... there it is. The peppermint schnapps anyway.

Did you know that one of those electric coffee mug warmers is great for heating brandy? If you get it too hot you lose the alcohol, and I don't see any point to that.

Wisconsonites need to stay warm.

Here you are.

The youth services department here dressed up ... I've got a green/yellow jester's costume just in case they ask me.
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5:02 PM EST 11/7/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Wow.

It's been a long week here in Lake Wobe....errr....Rochester.

But to cap the week, it's snowing. And I think it's lovely.

How about a nice glass of cabernet while I cook dinner? I'm thinking pepper steak, to use those last peppers from the garden.
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5:13 PM EST 11/7/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Snow and pepper steak sound perfect and I'll take a glass of the cab as well. Our "first winter storm" is the talk of the town (lots of flooding instead of snow) and the balmy temps are truly bizarre.

I didn't get in to St Jerry's last week to complement you on your halloween costume. Remind me to invite you to my next Sound of Music party!
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5:20 PM EST 11/7/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Cabernet it is!
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12:08 PM EST 11/17/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Mulling over the Bears getting the snot knocked out of them by the Packers ... that's one to you, Mary Beth!

Anyone have news to share?

Here in Illinois library land there's a new emphasis on an old concern ... whether the nine library systems should all provide the same (rather modest) services or should the wealthier urban ones continue to do more. Note that the wealthier ones are only "comparatively wealthy" because the systems are mostly funded on a per capita basis and that the Chicago suburbs have most of the people.

The state library, like all state agencies, faces great budgeting challenges but no one wants to touch the holy per capita grants each public library gets directly (merely $1.25 per capita).
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7:37 PM EST 11/26/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
what do you think should happen?

the tough economic times town halls that jennifer and others are hosting, i hope will surface some creative solutions and mutual support for what's bound to be difficult budget situations for most of us.
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3:04 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Hard to say ... my bias is to encourage excellence even at the cost of future funding. The basic issue is that the state library and the state funded library systems have not been able to explain themselves ... and their value ... to the legislators.

In my view, the root cause occurred in the late 70s when what were originally called "public library systems" (with non-public affiliates) converted themselves to "multi-type library systems." That eventually brought up the question of: Who benefits from the state funding?

(And I confess that I was one of those who called for multi-type systems at the time, such was my innocence of politics.)

The metropolitan Chicago area systems, at least, lost some of their direct public library support ... and, in my view, it is the support of public library community which most determines how local legislators will vote.

Good luck with your town hall meetings. I'm rather insulated here by good timing and better luck, plus being at a library district that sets its own tax levy.
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12:10 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
The basic issue is that the state library and the state funded library systems have not been able to explain themselves ... and their value ... to the legislators.

Oh, Amen! It was amazing to me that the legislators were so unaware of what the libraries did in their districts - and how bad the librarians were about explaining. Having come from a business background originally, I was aware of the value of "bottom-lining" an issue for an executive. What's the main message? And why should I care?

Librarians have tended to fall in the Whining for Money mode, which makes them very easy to tune out. If, on the other hand, they explained to a legislator that libraries are imperative in tough economic times because they offer $x for each dollar invested by the community, the legislators have something to work with. (Use one of those library calculators - it's pretty impressive) Libraries are often the only broadband access people have, and so they're important for folks looking for jobs, applying for benefits, etc.

For some reason, this business approach makes librarians very uncomfortable. While we aren't a business, we need to be able to explain to business people why we're important.
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12:50 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
The odd thing is, it can be argued that it was the economic argument that got the public library movement started. Books served an economic good, bettering the community through distributed knowledge ... especially in the practical arts.

Light fiction didn't have a place until much later in the 19th century and that, too, was due to an economic argument. The middle class said, basically, give us the books we want to read or we won't support you.

Or words to that effect.

The latter, "value of entertainment" argument, has strength of a sort since you can tell legislators how many library card holders -- apparent supporters -- you have. But I suspect the bottom-line "better for tomorrow's community" is a stronger approach when dealing with thoughtful legislators. There are a few of them.

As a rule, I also think it better to talk about "improving" and the "local economy" when speaking to the Chamber of Commerce than about a library's book talks and such. You can also speak of the value of reference in this context. Chamber members, usually small business people, often don't have time to read, or appreciate, fiction.
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12:55 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
You all are bringing up some excellent points. I hope you consider bringing your insights to the town halls this month, or add some other voices (besides mine!) to the town hall discussion thread.

Thanks!
JP
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1:20 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
I hope I have time to participate in the event.

Please do feel free to copy my posts.
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4:57 PM EST 12/1/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I like this quote:

"Storytelling is at the very root of what makes us uniquely human ... It is how we share our experiences, learn from our past, and imagine our future" Saving the Story at MIT

My local library authority in the UK is about to close 13 libraries out of a total of 26, though they will build 4 new ones in multipurpose centres with the savings. It's a question of whether the district will be poorer as a result afterwards I think.
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11:28 AM EST 12/2/08 as a reply to Gareth Osler.
Welcome to St. Jerry's, Gareth!

That strikes me as an insightful quote. Ironic, isn't it, that libraries hold so many stories but are so very bad at telling their own?

I'd been reading about closings in the UK (including, I think, the one you allude to) but know relatively little about public libraries there. I'd heard of badly falling circulation figures, poor morale, and such but don't have the first-hand experience to put this into context.

I do know that circ in US public libraries has been climbing, perhaps in largest part because of emphasis on DVD collections. In my own library's case, circ has gone up 8-10% each of the last 5 years ... with some of the users brought in by our DVDs also becoming book borrowers.

The bar and coffee shop at St. Jerry's are always open. Can I get you anything? Mary Beth is likely baking something even now.
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11:46 AM EST 12/2/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Yes - welcome, Gareth!

And as a matter of fact, Bob, I've recently made one of my wonderful (if I do say so myself) Pumpkin Swirl Cheesecakes. Just a bit of brandy, all the pumpkin spices, and the creaminess of cheesecake. Nummy.
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12:21 PM EST 12/4/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Here in the UK issues have been steadily falling (though having said that not in all authorities, though most), while footfall has been increasing, which is largely to do with computers and Internet access in libraries. There is also a lack of confidence in leadership. It's enough to make one want to downsize one's life, stop worrying about global problems, and concentrate on the simple pleasures like pumpkin cheesecake ;)
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2:52 PM EST 12/4/08 as a reply to Gareth Osler.
Pumpkin cheesecake is good. So is beer. The other stuff ... not so much.

I suppose there may be great differences in public library culture. We're generally not very tradition bound, to be sure, and governance is usually very local. My own library serves only some 35,000 people, but has its own elected board and levies its own property taxes.
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1:34 PM EST 12/12/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Hello Gareth, and welcome to St. Jerry's. It's nice to meet someone from the UK. Funny how many of us are struggling with the same issues across the globe.

But I do try to remember that the economic crisis here in the US is related to global conditions, but that global conditions are not necessarily the same. My friend Alane in BC reminds me of this when she replies to my email, yes, the US economic crisis does affect us, but it's different here!

Bob, will your library funding be affected by the foreclosures?
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3:40 PM EST 12/12/08 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
That's hard to say, Chrystie. We *will* be affected, but whether this will make a substantial hit to our tax income is something of an open question. Our tax rate, due to "tax caps" in the Chicago suburban counties, has slowly dropped over the past few years. It may be that lower property values will allow our rate to climb a bit.

This is complicated by how property values here are calculated ... it's on a three year "rolling average." This means that even though values have gone down in the past year the calculated "rolling average" probably hasn't, yet.

Finally, we've been very much "in the black" the last few years, with the excess dropped into our building funds. We can sustain quite a hit before we're anywhere near deficit spending.
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4:02 PM EST 12/15/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Methinks I'd best wash the counter here and hope someone wanders by.

Cold weather, here, today and a thin coat of ice everywhere ... enough for dangerous driving, for sure.

There weren't a lot of people in my library this morning. How about in yours?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:34 PM EST 12/15/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
It's bitterly cold here in Minnesota; the temperature today never got above 0. (It's -2 as we speak, and is predicted to be -15 tonight.) Winter in the upper Midwest is not for sissies.

We were busy today - it's finals week here at UMR, and I had a full house. We fed them soup (beer cheese soup today) and they're studying up a storm.

I'm about all done in, though. A Tom and Jerry is just what the doctor ordered, I think!
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5:00 PM EST 12/15/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
I just happen to have some Tom and Jerry batter handy.

Some 30 years ago, when the Chicago suburbs were first getting into the idea of "Christmas walks" to advertise their downtowns, there was a bookstore in Batavia that rather famously served Tom and Jerry's to everyone who dropped in. They used a good bourbon in theirs ... I'd usually get back to them 3, 4 times before calling it an evening.

So ... rum, brandy, or bourbon? As you're from Wisconsin originally, I'm guessing brandy.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:00 PM EST 12/15/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
That's my kind of bookstore!

Now, when my Daddy makes Tom and Jerry's, he includes a shot of rum AND a shot of brandy. Good man, my Dad.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:01 PM EST 12/15/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
One of each it is!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
11:30 AM EST 12/16/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I've never had one of those! I know it's early, but with the forecast as it is, I think it's just what St. Jerry's ordered...
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:37 PM EST 12/16/08 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Oh, Jen....you have truly been missing one of the wonders of the season! The Tom and Jerry batter is only sold at this time of year, and so I've always associated them with Christmas.

C'mon over and I'll have the Darling Husband make them for us, while we sit by the fire surrounded by dogs. emoticon
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1:40 PM EST 12/23/08 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
<wiping counter>

Any new topics to discuss?

How will an Obama presidency affect libraries? I suspect that "issues of the mind" may even be taken seriously.
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1:55 PM EST 12/23/08 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Hi there, I've not been here in a while, but I just thought about a trip to St. Jerry's last night. Must be all the snow we have on the ground right now that makes me think about finding a cozy pub to go to. I also have been reading Joseph Mitchell's collection of essays, and read about "McSorley's Tavern" in old New York, and the mugs of ale warming on the pot-bellied stove. Sadly, it was men-only, so I would have had to go all Yentl in order to have experienced it.

But as far as your question. My gut feeling about how the Obama presidency will affect libraries is that in terms of budgets and attention, very little for the public library system--there is just too much chaos right now. We currently have a lot in the news about public libraries getting swarmed with people during this tough time, but I think any changes that happen to meet those challenges and needs will be created and implemented by libraries themselves, without the help of federal government. But that is the tired cynic in me talking. The incoming administration's desire to revive scientific research and dialogue could have an interesting effect on academic and special libraries--as well as publishing industry--but I can't say in what way yet. I'm just happy to hear the word "science" coming back into the governnment vocabulary and used with pride rather than derision.

Sharon
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7:07 PM EST 12/23/08 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Science is good ... people asking for science books is even better. I actually think that public libraries respond to the changing zeitgeist rather sooner than the academic or special libraries.

Though I'd admit we can be clumsy when doing so.

I saw that snow in Seattle. Right now, outside Chicago, we've got maybe 12 inches on the ground ... and more coming!

By the way ... MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:15 PM EST 1/2/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Happy New Year! I trust that everyone had a lovely holiday.

Ours was certainly festive, with all that (unusual for us) snow. Glad to be back and getting into 2009...
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:48 AM EST 1/5/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Let's hope for a calmer 2009 (as opposed to 2008).

Chicago's snow vanished with warmer temperatures and a heavy rain. There's nothing on the ground right now ... with maybe 1/2 an inch of snow projected tonight.

Any plans for 2009?

I'm hoping my library board can make up its collective mind about buying property this year and actually do so.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:46 PM EST 1/5/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Collective minds are hard to make up! emoticon Would you build a new facility then?

My plans for 2009: get married! I am very much looking forward to spending some energies on personal plans, rather than professional ones (for a bit of a change and hopefully some new balance).
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:53 PM EST 1/5/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
No new library for several years ... it's one thing for us to know the need and quite another thing for the population to realize it. Things have to be quite crowded and a bit uncomfortable before that will happen!

Heck, I might even be retired before it happens. On the other hand, maybe fairly soon, say 4 to 5 years.

Did you set a wedding date?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:56 PM EST 1/7/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<wiping the counter>

Just noting that I'll be absent for a few days ... no web access.

Don't eat all the cookies!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:00 PM EST 1/7/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thanks for the call out. I think I need a fresh beverage before you head out. I need something that will ward off the cold I think might be knocking.

I hope you'll be doing something fun while offline!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:16 AM EST 1/8/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
we're thinking July 11 - but we'll see.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
11:51 AM EST 1/12/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Sorry I missed you, Jen. I hope you're feeling better. What would you like?

I was insulating a basement with help from my son, Stuart. It was good working like that with him, having a rhythm where he's fetching a wall stud at the same time I'm picking up the circular saw.

July sounds great, Chrystie.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:51 PM EST 1/12/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
The basement work sounds like something I should be doing...we just moved our 10 yr old son into our unfinished basement. Decided we couldn't move, so hope to make due with a few more years of sharing space with the 2 kids in our 2 br house. He loves it down there, actually, but we'll see.

I successfully warded off that cold. I could use a wintry porter for some vitamin B.

And I'm so excited about the wedding plans! Especially when it's for 2 such fine humans!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:43 PM EST 1/12/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
The Perseus Porter, then.

http://www.elysianbrewing.com/BeerPages/Porter.html

Enjoy!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:49 PM EST 1/12/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
welcome back, Bob.

i spent my vacation doing some similar "nesting" in a new home. all unpacked, and everything but the storage is now "organized". feels good to not be in transition.

i'm looking forward to settling into a new groove now that we have a new year ahead of us.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:05 PM EST 1/13/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
New grooves are good grooves. Congratulations!

<fiddling with espresso machine>

On another note, here's some very good news. Adult fiction reading is up!

Fiction Reading Increases for Adults

Maybe that's another reason why our book circ continues to soar. Adult paperbacks for December '09 were up 33% over December '08.

(Thanks to LISNews for the link.)
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:11 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<wiping counter>

Not much happening here. Is there anything anyone wants to discuss?

I set up a Facebook account yesterday, planning to use it for quasi-professional purposes, and seeing it fill up with all sorts of people I know or have known.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:08 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Glad to be healthy after a few weeks of the creeping crud.

Feel free to add me as a Facebook friend, Bob!

And how about an Old Fashioned? Brandy does have medicinal value, after all....
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:48 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Sorry to hear you've had the crud too, MB.

I'm ready for something strong enough to clear my nasal passages, Bob. Is there a spicy beverage you can suggest?

I'll look for you on FB, Bob. My husband has been getting up to speed on it, and I love connect more with family there.

And I loved the article you posted on the increase in adults reading fiction!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:06 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
It is an interesting article. It fits our experience here in Lake Villa, but I wouldn't want to assume it true elsewhere.

Let's see. Something strong, something spicy ...

Hmm.

That reminds me of a philosophy professor I had who told his class about the English cure for the common cold.

You take your bowler hat, prop it at the end of your bed, and sip gin until you can see two hats.





OK ... not so good a joke. May I suggest a Mai Tai ... doubled?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:46 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Truly, I did LOL! You made my day!

Is there a bowler hat in the lost and found? I'd like to try the remedy.

Otherwise, yes, a double would be good.

Thanks!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:15 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
Yo Bob (and everyone else). I signed up some time ago.

Got frustrated on trying to post and getting error messages.

Figure I'll try once more then cancel my account.

Let's see if this works.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:17 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Gilles Poitras.
Hey it worked.

I may end up hanging out after all <grin>

For more on me check out my web page: http://www.koyagi.com/

Gotta go, just got a cute little book truck from Highsmith for my home office and want to play with it for a bit.

Ja ne.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginningHI i
12:07 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Gilles Poitras.
Hi Gilles,

Thanks for giving it another try. We experienced quite a few performance problems when we first relaunched, but we have made lots of improvements since then. So hopefully you will have no more error messages when you try to post. BUT, if you do--please drop a note to support@webjunction.org and our support team will be all over it.

Meanwhile, I hope I am not making TOO broad an assumption if I say that teens are the largest fan base of manga and anime? If that is safe to say, then I would be interested in knowing if you would be able to help contribute to the knowledge base in our Young Adults & Teens section, so that library staff could learn the basics of how best to meet their patron's interest in this genre and format ?

Best,

Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginningHI i
7:48 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Sharon Streams:

"Meanwhile, I hope I am not making TOO broad an assumption if I say that teens are the largest fan base of manga and anime? "


Pretty much the largest, tho' I really want their parents watching more. The core for those who really follow it and spend time and money are often in their 20s.

I'll be checking out some other areas here where I may be able to provide input and suggestions.

As for recommended titles one of the great ones out is Yawara! A Fashionable Judo Girl. There is a box set with the first 40 episodes out.

http://www.animeigo.com/Products/Yawara.t

I urge folks to get them while they can AnimEigo tends to release sets first then individual discs. The fools, er, folks who do ordering for the chains usually don't want box sets, the fans do want them.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:10 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Double Mai Tai, huh? Is there a lot of vitamin C in the sweet and sour? I was sure someone was going to order a round of Bloody Marys, with extra tabasco sauce!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:19 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Well, the thing is, a double Mai Tai has four ounces of rum in it ... pretty much enough to anesthetize any cold you might have. ;-)

Welcome, Gilles! Nice to see you here. Any current recommendations on new anime or manga?

Also ... anything from the bar?

Did you want a Bloody Mary, Sharon?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:34 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Thank you!...but don't make it too strong.

I want to save some room for our FTF happy hour after work today. We have been experiencing bittersweetness here: As we are saying good-bye to our colleagues who are leaving WebJunction as part of our cost-cutting measures, we are also experiencing a feeling of renewed hope and determination with the new presidential administration. In either case, cocktails are appropriate!

Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:37 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
One Bloody Mary (with one dash of Tabasco).

I hope the downsizing doesn't cut too deep to the bone, Sharon.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:35 PM EST 1/29/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Sharon, has anyone we know from the forums departed WebJunction's employ?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:57 PM EST 1/29/09 as a reply to < maddog >.
Hi maddog,

I think you will find that your longtime forum friends are all still here, although most of us are wearing new or additional hats. The staff list on the About Us page has been updated to reflect what the team lineup will be by the end of February. If you are interested in contacting a departing staff member, this would be a great time to do so since everyone is still here this week.

Best,
Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:06 PM EST 1/29/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
Thanks Sharon...
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:09 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to < maddog >.
It's been slow here lately.

<wiping table>

Anyone else see a review of the new book Managing Online Forums? There's some coverage on Slashdot:

http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/09/1441227
hmmmm
4:36 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I haven't read that particular piece of wisdom but I was sent this interesting quote by a member of the Brainstorms community:

I'm watching what I think is the crash and burn of the new WebJunction (www.webjunction.org). This is an online community for librarians, sponsored by OCLC with (I think) more than a little Gates money.

It used to have some rather poor boards and unenthusiastic (and I suspect untrained) hosts. Life there was marginal at best, with many visitors and few people sticking around ... although there *was* a great deal of content (tools and documents) if you knew how to find it.

Now they've laid on a Facebookish approach to organizing, which pretty much assumes that you have to "friend" someone to be interested in what they are saying. I think not, but time will tell.

As it is, the only really active discussions seem to be ones I'm pushing, though this could be an illusion since without an obvious set of boards I can't see what discussions are actually active w/o spending most of a day clicking to reveal them or subscribing to *everything* on the chance that I'll find something interesting.

But if you subscribe to everything you're sucking on a potential firehose.

Bad design.

I fear they listened to both the IT dept and the funding folks, thus building what no community would want.

I appreciated your presence, Gabor. As it is, only St. Jerry's has any life to it and that's because I'm trying hard to make it that way.

I hope.
- Bob Watson
RE: hmmmm
4:45 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to < maddog >.
Bad form, IMO, 'dog ... Gabor had been here and that was written in a private community. WebJunction (and quite a few people) *tries* of course, but the design hampers it.
RE: hmmmm
5:00 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
It's also bad form for you to post that sort of stuff regardless of how private the forum may seem to you. The web is a whole lot less private than you may think (or desire).
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:49 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Hey Bob, you're right, it has been slow around here lately - and I didn't see the managing online forums link, so thanks for that.

It looks like maddog has re-posted something that you wrote about WJ in another (private) forum that exposes opinions about WJ that you may not have posted here yourself. I don't think it's appropriate for anyone to comment further on that unless you'd choose to share your views directly with WJ and engage the community here with your thoughts. A good place for that might be this group.

I could potentially see this exchange escalating into a flame-type situation and I would hate for that to happen here on our boards. WJ has never had a flame war of any kind in our five years of being online. And I'm not saying this is anything but a disagreement on form, but it does strike me as having the potential to turn in a different direction.

BTW, I would very much welcome *everyone* to post thoughts about what's working and not working here at WJ with the new design in the group I mentioned - this would give staff and others a chance to share their experiences as well. I can say for myself that I am very aware of the problems that our new design has caused, particularly in the area of moderation, and especially for our message boards, and so I would likely agree on many of your points.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:56 PM EST 2/9/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Hi Chrystie,

I wasn't intending to, here. There didn't seem any point of doing more since you had asked previously and I had given some input.

But, as you are asking for additional input, I may.

You're quite right. That was from another, private, community where such discussions are expected ... particularly among librarians.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:15 PM EST 2/12/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<wiping counter>

Let's see ... anyone have any thoughts on the newest Kindle? I see lots of possibilities (and am glad that few people in my library district are likely to buy one soon!).

There's a nice article from Gizmondo: http://i.gizmodo.com/5152092/giz-explains-why-there-isnt-a-perfect-ebook-reader?skyline=true&s=x
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:16 PM EST 2/12/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I'm out of the Kindle loop...didn't know there was a new one, but was reminded of last year's I'm Curious George, E-Books Kindle Buzz and of course the discussion you :-) started in Emerging Technologies about Kindle.

Now if I can just remember to go to my library's e-book collection and download some stuff before I drag my kids onto a plane this weekend!

I'm off to AZ to see the parents and my sister...might need a stiff drink upon my return...
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:27 PM EST 2/12/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
My 15-year old son bought a Sony Reader a few weeks back (paid out of his showblowing ventures ... serious money this year!). He loves it. He's reading Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea right now and has downloaded every New Yorker cartoon ever printed from a couple CDs ... something (I think) the Kindle can't do.

Of course, being 15 he's extremely partisan.

He also reads books, so I'm curious to see if his infatuation will continue.

I confess to using my two sons as tech use barometers. The older is on Facebook, and I get the sense that it's not at all important in his life.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:17 PM EST 2/13/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I recently had the manual of a new camera to read, was thinking I could use a Sony Reader to do that with it being in PDF format, not sure if the Kindle reads PDFs. It would have saved me a printout of a manual, quite large. Then again information tends to transfer from printed page to brain faster than its electronic counterpart. Even so I would have liked to have tried the electronic version out.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:52 PM EST 2/13/09 as a reply to Gareth Osler.
I am very intrigued by the Kindle (1 and 2) except for the price tag. I share Tom Peter's sentiments expressed in his TechSource review.

According to this Wired review, the Kindle "still cannot easily display standard PDF (Acrobat) files," so Gareth, I guess your camera manual would not fly.

I may be wrong about this, but isn't the display screen technology the big difference between the Sony Reader and the Kindle? Kindle has that amazing e-ink --look, no backlighting! That may not mean much to teenage eyes, but it sure appeals to me.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:36 PM EST 2/13/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Anyone want to request a feature enhancement to Kindle? I was thinking that it would be nice to have a better tactile experience than gripping hard plastic. Maybe I am thinking of an accessory: a Kindle Kozy. This would be a nice plush cozy to hold the apparatus in while reading.

Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:06 PM EST 2/14/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
As I understand it, both the Sony Reader and the Kindle use the same screen manufactured by the same company.

Let's see ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-ink

Same company, but the new Kindle has 16 shades of gray rather than 8.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:58 PM EST 2/17/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
ahh, thank you for the reference service. The e-ink is more widely adopted than I realized. There's an interesting E-book Reader Matrix that compares features ---and the competition is hot.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
11:25 AM EST 2/20/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Here's a very interesting interview with Tim O'Reilly on Kindle and the future of publishing.

Tim O'Reilly Unplugged: The Kindle 2 And Transforming Industries

Fascinating. But the word "library" is not even mentioned. Where, exactly, do we fit into this new information ecology?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:47 PM EST 2/26/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
funny you ask. one of the things that prevents me from getting a kindle is that it seems it would make it harder to interface w/ the library for borrowed items. who knows, maybe i'm wrong.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:42 AM EST 2/27/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
That's quite right, I think. My younger son can download library e-books to his Sony Reader, but I understand that you can't do so with the Kindle.

Seems to me that Sony is missing a huge marketing opportunity here. That's a hardware company and there are millions of people who might buy a reader as long as the content is free.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:32 PM EDT 3/11/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
<wiping off the counter>

Dang. Dust.

<wiping more>

Anyone want to discuss Chrystie's article in American Libraries: "Inside, Outside, and Online"? That's in the current issue.

There's lots of good, juicy, stuff there.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:03 PM EDT 3/30/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Apparently not. Good stuff there, though.

There's a huge difference between theory, custom, and praxis.

Anyone want to comment on "America's Star Libraries"?

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6629180.html

In my view, as with the HPLAR ratings, there too much variation to support a statistical summary. Not that I wouldn't want my library to have a great rating, if only for bragging rights.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:53 PM EDT 3/30/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Frankly, I grow weary of the contest flavor of some of this stuff. Most libraries are doing amazing things. Whether they're recognized for it on a national level....

On the other hand, it's turning out to be a tiring - though productive - day. And I think I deserve a really lovely Cabernet. It's been too long.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:09 PM EDT 3/30/09 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Perhaps the 2004 Cobblestone?

Here you are ...

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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:50 PM EDT 3/30/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
meanwhile, i am just *stunned* that there aren't any takers for discussing my article! emoticon

i received plenty of "good article" and "liked what you said" and "your use of mixed metaphors was jarring" but no substantive discussion about the content. bob, would be curious what you think if you're still willing to share...
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:30 PM EDT 3/31/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
It sounded like my own words at times. emoticon

I was doing a lot of writing from the late 80s to the mid-90s (once had two items in one RQ issue) and had the distinct feeling that no one save the editors were paying any attention.

I fear the issue is one of professional engagement, which is to say that the diverse professions of librarianship too often serve the "machine" which is the library (in the Mumfordian sense) rather than use that machine to serve the needs of the public.

"Community" is an important pathway.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:11 PM EDT 3/31/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Chrystie's question "Where is the library?" (or "where is YOUR library?") could be the basis of a marketing campaign. I encounter people who don't realize they are using the library when they access online information, read book reviews, or place holds. It's a matter of awareness of where the library is now in the year 2009.

I am often impressed with how advanced and immersed libraries are relative to other businesses. In the arena of training, the corporate world is just waking up to the potential of social networking tools. Many libraries ventured out into that frontier a few years ago.

The key is for libraries to be nimble and flexible and ready to adapt to the next new concept of community in the second decade of the 21st century. Beware of the "machine"!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:10 PM EDT 3/31/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Absolutely, Betha! And I must say, "Where is the library?" is especially pertinent in my situation: I have a virtual academic library. My entire physical collection at the moment consists of about 30 books.

For students, faculty, and staff at UMR, the library is wherever they are and have access to an Internet connection. And the librarian is, too - they can reach me by email, IM, phone, or they can "friend" me on Facebook and talk to me there. (And some have!)

Academic libraries in particular struggle with this, as the traditional benchmark by which academic libraries are measured is the sheer size of the collection. Nevermind if anyone has actually accessed some of this stuff in decades; the fact that you have it makes you a better academic library. Now, however, when you can access vast quantities of information and research virtually, what sense does that benchmark make?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:40 PM EDT 4/1/09 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
i love betha's idea of a marketing campaign. maybe that should be the basis of the next WJ ad. and then we could extend it to libraries everywhere like the @ your library campaign.

i'd love to see librarians of all kinds telling their stories of "here's my library" and finding an image that goes along with that.

then we could have patrons saying "here's my library"...etc.

the thing that i like about this idea is not only that it shows off that the library is "everywhere" but that the library is "mine" and "ours".

(shivers!)
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:48 PM EDT 4/1/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Instead of "....@ the library," it would be "my library is @ ..."! emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:27 PM EDT 4/1/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
The thing is, in my view, that we tend to push "the machine" (the collection, real or virtual) over the people who make it work.

From my perspective the people are equally important in "creating" the collection and vastly more important in using it (or in teaching others to use it).

That said ... great campaign idea!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:03 PM EDT 4/6/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
i agree. people *are* resources.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:20 PM EDT 4/7/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
<rant>

And not just the resources ... the "matrix of understanding" (if you don't mind my combining movies with Brown/Duguid and language theory).

Understanding (leastways of subjects having any complexity beyond Look Out!!!) is done through "languaging." This is social. There is no such thing, excepting in the odd pathological case, of people having personal languages.

Media contain language, with non-print media also containing signs (semiotics). Signs are also social, having agreed upon meanings.

I view the librarian's roles as vastly more than the organized storage of frozen language or signs. That is arguably (I think) all we would need to be except that no one has all of the socializations needed to decode or discriminate between them.

Consider the case where someone is stranded on a desert island with nothing but a library ... written in Greek. Is it, from his/her perspective, functionally a library? No, not really. It is a pile of books. But add one librarian who reads Greek ....

The thing is, *all* of us have subject areas where the topic might as well be Greek. Ask me about Arabian history, genetics, or computer programming and I'll demonstrate how very little I actually know.

The large problem, the intractable problem despite the web and despite things like Wikipedia, is that people do not know what they do not know. Hence, they stumble even more when looking for knowledge about topics where they lack a basic understanding.

Our job is to help. Collections are just the beginning.

</rant>
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:05 PM EDT 4/7/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
I'm leaning more towards "who is your library?" and why do "they" matter? I don't think we need to know how to decode, but we certainly can help, as Bob says, users, specifically to "focus", as Paul Holdengraber suggested at CiL last week. He described the library's role as one to help "focus" in this age of info distractions.

And I don't think it needs to be just the "librarians" who take on this role, but I think instead we as the "library" provide the tools, platform and "commons" to help the whole community of library users (regardless of which side of the "desk" they're on) to be the "focusers" of information.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:05 PM EDT 5/12/09 as a reply to Jennifer Peterson.
I had a discussion with one of our reference desk paraprofessionals ... who likens his role as being like a bartender. It is. He listens and helps, albeit with somewhat less emphasis on psychology and alcohol.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
9:00 PM EDT 5/13/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
So, librarybob, that's explains a lot. I see that it was your natural professional affinity that led you to open St. Jerry's and become an online bartender. emoticon

This makes me think I could have saved a lot of money and gone to bartending school instead of getting my MLIS.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
10:57 PM EDT 6/4/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
without the alcohol? that doesn't sound like us!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
6:15 PM EDT 6/8/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
No alcohol is always a problem. We were talking the other day at work about Jim Beam now offering a black-cherry flavored bourbon.

I chalked that up to us older folks not taking the time needed to teach younger ones how to drink.

(BTW ... I didn't get an e-mail notification of the above two posts. :-( )

Things have been slow at St. Jerry's, I'm afraid.

Is there anything anyone wants to discuss?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:39 PM EDT 6/19/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Well about those email notifications ---it is a known bug, one that crawled in unexpectedly when other changes were implemented. It's in the development cycle for the next install. In the meantime, you can still use your My WebJunction activities to keep up with things. That's where I saw that you had posted here.

St. Jerry's may be sleepy but work sure is fast-paced. ALA is approaching rapidly. I'm excited to be going (I *heart* Chicago) but I've got a lot to do before I get there.

Let's talk about conferences. Do you think attendance will be way down? It certainly was at our state conference in April. I'm noting a trend toward more virtual conference options. I'm seeing it in the corporate world. ASTD has just packaged selected sessions from their recent international conference and is selling the content. How enterprising.

"Missing the conference no longer means missing out on the valuable content you need to do your job more effectively."

Isn't it the season for a tall cool mint julep?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
4:05 PM EDT 6/30/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
It's mint julep time indeed.

(Let's see. I need something to bruise the mint leaves .... Ah ha!)

Here you go.

I suspect attendance *may* be down, but one advantage of Chicago is generally cheaper airfares since it's centrally located. Virtual, of course, has its place (heck, *I* like it) but also its limitations, especially when it comes to being hands-on with vendor products.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:36 PM EDT 8/10/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
champagne please. email subscription appears to be working again.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
2:46 PM EDT 8/10/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
Indeed! Leastways I got an e-mail for *this* thread.

(And not one for Shameless Self-Promotion.)

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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:15 PM EDT 8/10/09 as a reply to Chrystie Hill.
I got it the other way round ---inbox alert for "shameless" but not for St. Jerry's. I could have sworn I was subscribed to this thread.

Oh well, I 'll take a glass of champagne anyway. emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:22 PM EDT 8/10/09 as a reply to Betha Gutsche.
Betha Gutsche:
I got it the other way round ---inbox alert for "shameless" but not for St. Jerry's. I could have sworn I was subscribed to this thread.

Oh well, I 'll take a glass of champagne anyway. emoticon


Interesting.... We're seeing bounces for folks (ie, with non-functioning email addresses) for both threads, so that tells us subscriptions are "technically" working for both those threads. Please check to make sure you are subscribed -- If you see "Unsubscribe" at the top of the first page of the thread, you _should_ now be getting the updates.



If you aren't, will you let us know?

Other tips: Check your spam filter (probably not an issue if you are receiving updates for one of the threads and not another). You an also try toggling (click Unsubscribe, then Subscribe) the setting to see if that fixes it.

These subscriptions were enough effort that we really want it working for everyone.emoticon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:30 PM EDT 8/11/09 as a reply to Tim King.
Thanks, Tim. I found myself "unsubscribed" and changed it.

(Wondering how that happened.)

Can I get you a drink now that you've wandered into St. Jerry's?
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:05 PM EDT 8/11/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob Watson:
Thanks, Tim. I found myself "unsubscribed" and changed it.

(Wondering how that happened.)


I can't even begin to guess. I'm just glad you found the culprit

Bob Watson:
Can I get you a drink now that you've wandered into St. Jerry's?


Sure Bob, how about something simple. Maybe a draft IPA? Really, anything on tap and cool would be fine.

-much abliged!
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
3:12 PM EDT 8/11/09 as a reply to Tim King.
Here you go! Thanks for all your work under the hood.

(Yours is from the tap.)

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RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:09 PM EDT 8/28/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Just thought I'd plug the Young Librarian's Series:

http://blogs.tametheweb.com/younglibrarian/2009/08/11/hello-world/

There's some nice stuff and they need to be heard.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
1:13 PM EDT 8/28/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
At first I was excited to see Gen X'ers included in the "young" category, but then read further down that one must be under 40 to contribute to the site. Since I was born in the Summer of Love, guess I'm a Gen X Geezer. But I will be sure to stay in touch with her site as a reader. :-)

Sharon
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
12:15 PM EDT 9/22/09 as a reply to Sharon Streams.
You're still young to us, Sharon!

(PS: I hope this post shows some improvements in everyone's RSS reader formatting!)
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:51 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob Watson:
"Also ... anything from the bar?"

I'll have some Emma Judge of Hell brand shochu on the rocks (just a little ice) and a couple of chili peppers on the side.

It has been a rough two weeks.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
8:06 PM EST 1/22/09 as a reply to Gilles Poitras.
Hmmm. I'll have to call for a hyperspace physical link to get that one. But if it can be done in your imagination it *can* be done at St. Jerry's!

Here you are.

By the way, any recommendations from this Shochu listing?

Search Shochu by Brand A-Z

I'm curious, hadn't heard of it, and want to try it.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
7:19 AM EST 1/23/09 as a reply to Bob Watson.
Bob Watson:
"By the way, any recommendations from this Shochu listing?

Search Shochu by Brand A-Z

I'm curious, hadn't heard of it, and want to try it."


I've only had a few brands and cannot remember their names. I'm a pretty light drinker and have few opportunities for social drinking. Interesting web page, I've bookmarked it for reference.

Shochu can be made from anything that can be fermented, barley and sweet potatoes being the most common. There are different degrees of refinement, the less refined the more the flavor of the original ingredient, some can get very earthy. I'll ask around for recommendations.
RE: St. Jerry's Virtual Scriptorium ... a new beginning
5:01 PM EST 1/21/09 as a reply to Mary Beth Sancomb-Moran.
Friend request sent, Mary Beth!

And, here's that brandy old-fashioned you wanted. I almost ran out of bitters and will have to get more.