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501(c)(3) for public libraries
5:01 PM EDT 9/24/04
I have been looking at grants, software and hardware donations prospects. Seems they usually require 501(c)(3) nonprofit organizations designation, even for public libraries (except for the recent Microsoft software project).
Is is worth all the trouble that I assume is required to obtain a 501(c)(3)designation?
Can a public library get grants without it?
Bobbie
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
5:49 PM EDT 9/24/04
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
Excellent question Bobbie, anyone have any suggestions? I wonder if the <a href="http://www.fdncenter.org/">Foundation Center</a> website would offer any clues? I did a search on their site for the word libraries and found a few resources but I didn't dig very far - Tocker Foundation is one that comes up...
Max
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
2:35 PM EDT 9/27/04
as a reply to Max Anderson.
I think you can still get some grants, but the issue is whether or not the organization giving the grant can use that donation as a tax write-off -- that's why they want you to be an official non-exempt (even though, as a governmental body, you already are).
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
2:39 PM EDT 9/27/04
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
We just got our 501(c)(3) a few months ago.
While you can get grants without it, it limits the number you can apply for. Having a 501(c)(3) is basically a filtering method for foundations -- they know you meet a lot of their requirements if you have it.
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
5:52 PM EDT 9/27/04
as a reply to Chris Ely.
So, Chris, was it worth the trouble? How much time did you spend to fill out all the necessary paperwork? After submission, how long did it take to actually get the designation? Was it worth the time and effort?
Bobbie
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
5:55 PM EDT 9/27/04
as a reply to Max Anderson.
Concerning the Tocker Foundation. It says it funds grants "principally" to Texas organizations. Does that mean I could still apply being from Colorado? I qualify for the rural,under 12,000 population restriction.
Bobbie
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
6:09 PM EDT 9/27/04
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
Bobbie, I would just give them a call, it can't hurt! All they can say is no...plus they may have suggestions for organizations in CO for you to check out....
Good luck!
Max
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
6:05 PM EDT 10/4/04
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
It's not difficult so much as time consuming. And the time depends on how well your budgeting system is already set up. Ours was relatively easy to adapt into the format the IRS needs.
It takes about six weeks to 2 months after filing, if memory serves. Our only problem was we had a CPA help us fill out the paperwork (pro bono -- I filled it out and he double-checked my work before I sent it in), but he told us the wrong fee to pay (it's based on your budget), so I had to send in a second check.
Is it worth it? If you want to apply for any foundation money -- yes. You simply can't apply for many of them without the 501(c)(3) designation.
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
6:11 PM EDT 10/4/04
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
The Tocker Foundation's web page has this as the first sentence: "The purpose of the Tocker Foundation is to distribute funds principally for the support, encouragement, and assistance to small rural libraries in Texas."
Considering grants are also reviewed by the Texas Library Association, and all the forms require info from TSLAC, I think it's doubtful they'll consider anyone from outside Texas.
But if you want to be on the safe side, you can contact them directly:
Tocker Foundation 3814 Medical Pkwy Austin, TX 78756-4002 Office (512) 452-1044 Fax (512) 452-7690
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
12:49 PM EDT 8/18/05
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
If you do not want to apply for 501.c3 status if you have a Friends of the Library Group they usually have a 501.c3. There are grants out there that will allow you to apply under their status. You will still do all the work, be the contact, and receive the funds.
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
10:17 PM EDT 8/31/05
as a reply to Taryn Prewitt.
great tip. thanks! just curious: where are you joining us from?
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
12:50 AM EDT 9/9/05
as a reply to Bobbie Chapman.
Bobbie,
I would also see if a larger organization or association in your state might be willing to serve as a fiscal agent for you. Illinois has a statewide non-profit organization to address this exact question of making it worthwhile for an investment of time to garner the 501c3 designation. More information here about that organization -
http://www.ilsdo.org/on_fund.html
I think to help answer your question it might be useful to talk to a local lawyer or CPA and find out if they would be willing to donate the time and if not, how many hours of their services it would require. Balancing the investment of your time and their time and possible fees and comparing that to what you MIGHT receive in grants could provide some needed perspective on whether it is worthwhile to your library.
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
11:59 AM EDT 10/2/05
as a reply to Chris Jowaisas.
Good idea chrisabo, thanks for posting! Sigurdis (Max)
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
6:08 PM EDT 6/8/06
as a reply to Max Anderson.
Greetings, Let's see: I am Rebekah, I work as director of a mid-sized upstate NY public library chartered to serve a small city of 11,886. However, we really serve the area of the entire School District which is a population of about 25,000. I have been here since Jan. 2005.
We are at the start of a several-step process so that we can get ourselves placed to do some serious looking for funds in 2007 & beyond.
Our City Gov't is pretty generous to us, especially considering the state of the economy in our region, and we get a bit of funding through vote of the School District, as well as our County and State -- but any increments we see on a year-to-year basis are simply to maintain the status-quo, as other costs go up. So, if we want to make any serious strides, we need new sources of funds.
The group which was our so-called "Friends" had no desire to become a 501 c 3 or take any other really motivated action, so they have recently disbanded.
Just as they were hiring me the Board of Trustees decided to begin reaching out to our patron base and created a "Paron's Society" which is not yet tax-deductible, but will be once we have our 501 c 3 -- it is simply that group of our patrons willing to voluntarily contribute at any level of giving -- we have no meetings, no officers, etc. and periodically publish a newsletter so folks know how their money is being spent. Since the first mailing was done in Dec. 2004 we have generated about $6,500 this way. Again, nice, but not sufficient for real change.
That is how we came to determine that the cost and trouble of getting the 501 c 3 IS WORTH IT.
We have applied to NY State Ed. Dep't for an amendment to our charter so we can apply. As soon as that comes through we will send in our application. We got great help from our public library system -- one of the consultants has made it her business to make the process as painless as possible -- and then, after we get the approval from the Federal Gov't we intend to apply for a bulk rate postal permit.
For the 3 Patron's Society mailings since Dec. 2004 we have been able to "borrow" the permit of other local not-for-profits, but the time has come for us to step up and pay for our own.
We anticipate this entire 3-step process will cost about $1,000 for us, and well, I am just thankful we already have the Patron's Society in place so that the cost does not have to come from my annual budget. But even if it did -- I still believe in the long run, it would be worth the time, effort and dollars.
I have some experince writing LSTA and NY State Arts grants and have just this Spring begun applying to local companies for small sponsorships. I think that I have the skills to write the kinds of grants that will meet the approval of foundations, but until we have the 501 c 3 I dare not even think about it... I guess I am of the belief that the grantee has the responsibility of knowing what the funder wants to fund, to write a grant that meets that desired purpose, and then to carry it out as stated in the proposal document. To try to get a funder to do what you want ... while it would be nice, is just a waste of their time (and yours).
So to the CO person asking about Texas money, I say -- look elsewhere.
Ok -- that is my soap-box for today. Sorry, Rebekah
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
8:41 PM EDT 6/8/06
as a reply to Rebekah Tanner.
Hi Rebekah! Thanks for sharing your story. I just presented at the SOLINET Annual Membership Meeting about Advocay and dealing with public officials. The concensus I got was that many people felt it was very overwhelming to sort of "lobby" their local governments. I tried to help them understand to start small and work up to big. Your message is very timely though since this month's course of the month is "Fundraising for Libraries!" Also don't forget that once they have that classification of 501c3, check out TechSoup Stock for HEAVY discounts on software. Good luck! Max
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
11:25 AM EDT 6/9/06
as a reply to Max Anderson.
And another good place we hope to get some free / discounted assistance from once we have our 501 c 3 in place is Gifts In Kind International: http://www.giftsinkind.org/receive/registration/educational.asp -- Rebekah
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Re: 501(c)(3) for public libraries
5:01 PM EST 2/12/07
as a reply to Rebekah Tanner.
> To try to get a funder to do what > you want ... while it would be nice, is just a waste > of their time (and yours).
I wholeheartedly agree with Rebekah (not to be confused with me, Rebekkah!).
What I've found is that the IRS considers public libraries to be "governmental entities" which by virtue of definition are tax exempt, however, getting a foundation to buy that is another story. We encourage all of our libraries to either have their own or to build up their friends groups to a level that can sustain the paperwork needed to be a 501C3 - we started a support area on our web site for tax exemption: http://midhudson.org/funding/fundraising/501c3.htm
-Rebekkah Smith Aldrich Mid-Hudson Library System Poughkeepsie, NY http://midhudson.org
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